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Fear of Flying - Difficult Exposure


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I hear you!
 
great success  wow you did great!
 
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Hi Ariel 273
I just got back from my holiday had to fly both ways and did very well.  Only needed to do some mindful breathing = a few deep breaths and focused on the happy reunion with family and the sightseeing I was to do.  I changed my negative thought of "oh I have to fly - to - oh boy, can't wait to get there".  Also, coming home focused on seeing my dog again - and felt just fine.  Still not that keen on flying, but it does get you from A to B the quickest way.  I think this trip was the most relaxed I've ever experienced.  Doing my relaxation/meditation exercises every day for about two weeks before going on the trip really helped.  I visualized myself on the plane, taking off and landing successfully.
 
I think once you have had panic attacks, there is a lot of anticipatory anxiety when we go out of our comfort zone.  As you mentioned in your last entry - you followed the detour signs and did well.  That proves that you can do it.  Hope you rewarded yourself afterwards, gave yourself a pat on the back, YOU DID IT successfully!  The thing is, I think, we are so worn out from the stresses, our bodies are weakened, we have negative thoughts about challenges, so we think we are going to fail, can't handle any more stuff thrown at us.  Sometimes we look at challenges as one great big obstacle course and make big mountains out of molehills.  I try and remind myself of that and let myself know that it is o.k. to be nervous about new adventures, situations, problems, that in the end I am an intelligent being and can figure it out.  I trust myself that I will, can, get through whatever is presenting itself. When you are overtired and worn out, it feels so much more difficult.  Sometimes a little break (if you can) is helpful.  Have a drink of water, just sit quietly for 5 minutes to gather your thoughts, do some deep breathing, use positive self-talk.
 
I sure know what you mean though, I remember only too well, how sick and tired I was of being sick and tired and used to question if these feelings would ever end!  CBT has helped me the most especially in challenging negative thought patterns.  With more rest (don't forget to take really good care of yourself) and good diet, mild exercise, etc. we start to feel better.  Another thing I try and remember is that it took yrs. of stress to get to the panic attacks (for me anyway) and so it's not like a cold that goes away in 4-7 days.  It takes a few months to get back on our feet.  One step at a time eh? 
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Thanks for the encouragement about not having a panic attack when I got lost a few weeks ago Sunny.  I went on another driving trip 5.5 hours away with a friend last weekend.  Originally my panic seemed focused on flying, but now I seem to have panic symptoms on all trips.  My friend was driving and there was a sign that we were going into a tunnel, then over a drawbridge.  My heart immediately started racing, my palms got sweaty, and I felt overheated.  I have never been afraid of tunnels or bridges before that panic attack on the plane.  We got to the hotel and I couldn't pay attention to anything my friend was saying because I could only think "what if I can't handle driving all that by myself tomorrow."  The feelings went away in a half hour as I kept trying to challenge them.  The next day when driving it myself, the bridge was closed, the tunnel closed, and the GPS wasn't giving me an alternate route.  Heart racing, sweating, and mind so fearful of not being able to handle it that I had trouble focusing in on a practical solution.  I felt like I wanted to pull over and make someone come 5 hours to get me and never travel again.  But then as always, I just followed the detour signs and it was fine.  I am so sick of having this over-reaction after feeling so self-sufficient before and it is so scary how the panic symptoms affect my rational thinking to come up with normal solutions.
I read the exposure pages tonight and am trying to figure out how to make graded exposures to this.  I can sit at the airport and picture the plane with mild anxiety, have been on a plane with mild-severe anxiety, and it just seems so much to have to do with my fatigue and stress level in how I am able to deal with it.  To get to moderate anxiety, I generally have to be on the plane or traveling far from home, but I can't do that as frequently as I think I would need to.  I do feel VERY fortunate to be able to do these things at all, but want to be able to without the fear.  Any suggestions?
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Hi Ariel:  That's a good question about symptoms or panic attack. I don't think a couple of symptoms is a full-blown panic attack. It does show that you are anxious at that time and might want to figure out what's bothering you. Three or more symptoms might be. The counselors can help us out here.(?) 
Congratulations on not panicking when you got lost in that rural area.  You probably are a good driver and smart - you figured the route back. This means, you can do it again. Good for you...keep posting.
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Hi Ariel,
 
I'm glad you have been trying out the suggestions that others have posted. You must do trial and error to see which techniques will work best for you. As for you question it is quite possible that what you are experiencing is in fact panic attacks or anxiety.

How do they effect your daily life? Have you tried deep breathing techniques?
 
 

Samantha, Health Educator
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Hi everyone...this is Ariel271.  I started a new account as I never received a password to my email and was never contacted after I reported it.  Anyway, thank you very much for responding Ashley and Sunny.  It was really helpful to see that other people can have as intense of a fear as I do when it comes to flying.  I did read the first topics and one thing has stuck out in my mind..."Avoiding anything (including flying) will make it much worse."  I have been making an effort to be more open to choosing flying over driving when it makes more sense to fly and to not think so much avoid trips with friends and family.  I will read the exposure pages today, but I have been trying to replace any images I have of myself fearful while on a plane with images of being comfortable on an airplane.  Like you said Sunny, positive self-talk can really help.  All of your suggestions were great and I hope that I can try them out - I have spent most of the time on flights since my attack grasping the armrests tightly and trying not to go into overdrive.  I'll keep working on replacing these images/thoughts with more positive ones.
I also went on a road trip this weekend and drove by myself.  I got lost in a rural area where it was dark outside and had some panic symptoms/thoughts.  I tried what you said and challenged them, and it really did help to relax me somewhat.  After my first attack, I was having panic symptoms frequently in my daily life.  Now it seems that I only have them when I travel: going away from home, getting lost, taking a subway, and heights.
I do have one question though: I have only had what I consider one "true" panic attack where I had heart racing, shaking, sweaty palms, chills, and thoughts that I was going crazy and going to die.  Since I was a teenager though, I have had many episodes of chest pain, racing heartbeat for prolonged periods when stressed, and my body feeling really tense, especially my neck.  (MD sent me to a cardiologist and all testing was fine.)  Were these also panic attacks?  I guess I have considered them panic symptoms, not attacks?
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hi all:  As a matter of fact I'm flying out next month for a holiday/visit family.  It's a 4 hr. flight.  I don't like flying once I'm up there - I start to think about what the heck am I doing up here (the fear of loss of control - not like driving myself is it? I'm stuck inside this cabin). I love the takeoff and landing part. Once I'm up I think about the crashes, the negative things, but know to change the negative thoughts to positive thoughts and try and do so as fast as I can.  Lots of positive selftalk helps for me.  So I bring a good book, watch a movie, or try and sleep through it and think about the positives - which are how happy I will be to see family and have a wonderful holiday, etc. all the exciting things I have planned to do.  This is my goal, my reward.  Sometimes a friendly seat mate can help by chatting - but I'm always careful not to intrude on their privacy - not talk too much at them, if you know what I mean.  I bet sometimes a seat mate would be so happy to help you through it if you explained you were nervous about flying.   you never know!  Another thing you can do is go the ladies' room and run cold water on the inside of your wrists - that helps me with a racing heart. Just the changing of positions from seat to bathroom is helpful to change thought pattern.
hope this helps a little.
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Hi Ariel,
 
Thank you for sharing. All of your questions and concerns are valid and it will take time to answer some of them.   Also, although you cannot work on taking a plane ride right now you can still work on your fear through visualization.  If you can work on feeling comfortable about thinking of flying and visualizing yourself on a plane that is the first step to feeling comfortable with actually flying.  Learn to manage your anxiety and panic any work you can do in this area will help.
 
The program will be a great help to. Keep working at it.  You are off to a great start!  What are your next goals for the next few weeks?  Remember it is ok to start very small.
 
Members, please add to the discussion.  What are things you are going to do to address this anxiety? 
 
 
 
Ashley, Health Educator
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Recovery,

I understand how you feel as well and it was really helpful to read all of your posts. I was researching Supportive Exposure Therapy for flying when I found your post. I found that when I was typing this out, I was hoping to provide you with additional strategies and solutions, but really have a lot of the same questions as you do.

Like BlueKnight, I moved out of state after college and flew frequently to see family and friends. When I was stressed about a life event, I had a panic attack on a plane. I spent the following weeks worrying all the time about my next flight and whether I was going to have a panic attack anywhere else. I have been on three flights since with varying worry and concern in the weeks before and varying discomfort on the flights, but no panic attacks. I still however find myself avoiding trips where I would have to fly and truly feel that it is because of not being able to gain frequent exposure like in your original message. Going on a flight seems like flooding the exposure instead of gradual!

My fear is also about the inability to cope while on-board, but is more about the fear of having another panic attack and not being able to get off the plane or get help. I have also discussed this with a counselor and have developed many of the strategies that Jen wrote about. I still often wonder though how much I can control with my own rationalization and reassurance and how much is my body’s physical overreaction to being in the situation. I know flying is much safer than driving and that panic attacks cannot kill you, but it still makes me nervous to think about flying/booking a flight.

Controlled breathing and knowledge about the panic is so important, but I often wonder if facing the fear is the only way to do it since gradual exposure is so difficult with flying. When I followed up with my primary care MD (who I went to after my panic attack), he actually told me that I wasn’t doing everything I could to combat the fear unless I faced it and got on a plane. A few hours later, I was at the airport with my mom and flew one-way to the nearest city. Even though it went okay, months later I am still worried to book another flight. I wonder why the worry still persists and how to get to a place where thinking about flying and actually doing it aren’t so scary. Like all of you, I also don’t want it to limit my life! I’m hoping that working through the PC 3.0 exposure techniques will help. P.S. I’d love to hear how your flight went Blue Knight and if you’ve flown again Recovery!
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Recovery,
 
You have received some great insight from BlueKnight and others.
 
How do you perceive your fears now? Can you describe the intensity since working on exposure therapy and other methods to reduce your anxiety and panic?
 
Keep us posted on your progress.
 
 
Faryal, Health Educator

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