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Hello TJ and WELCOME to the site.  I had that fear of the fear - that another panic attack would come any time.  And then it was the symptoms, I was hypervigilant for symptoms, dizziness, tight chest, tight throat, shakes.  The catastrophizing of these symptoms of course led to the panic attacks.  I thought that if I didn't have these symptoms, I would never have panic attacks, so how do I get rid of symptoms?   You can get rid of them with medication, but they will come back unless you understand why you have them in the first place.  CBT program helped me understand these reasons.  Once I figured out why and what to do, it took time to practice the relaxation techniques and the positive self talk which helped to change those negative thoughts (catastrophizing, such as Oh, I'm going to have a heart attack) to positive thoughts (such as, I'm tired out today, no wonder I feel such and such, I'll just go and lie down for a bit).  As you learn about yourself, you will learn how to take care of yourself.  You will learn what you need to do for you.  We are all different, what works for one may not work for another, but keep the faith and the belief that you will get well and you will.  How do I know?  Because I no longer have panic attacks.  If I get symptoms of stress - tight chest and throat are the symptoms I get the most - I know it's time to do relaxation exercises and take some "me" time.  Nip it in the bud. 
I strongly recommend to anyone with panic attacks and symptoms to take good care of themselves because of the exhaustion of the body.  The body is fighting all the time (fight or flight adrenalin) and needs some quiet time, some pampering, some good nutrition, some gentle exercise, fresh air.  You want to try and get the balance back.
I hope some of these ideas are helpful to you.
 
Sunny
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T.J.

As a person progresses they start to look back at how it was. It can happen fast. It can happen with the first interaction with this site if it looks to you like it is going to work. It usually happens part way through CBT. What it amounts to is not believing. Yes that simple. 

Technically it is called fear of fear. It works like this. You can't believe you are getting better or that you will so you keep looking to see if you are right. It manifests itself as a fear of having a panic attack again because you can remember how bad they were and how they seem to come out of no where. So the minute any of the symptoms you get with one, or even just higher anxiety happen it triggers this thought. And you start to fear this thought. Now if you have had anxiety for any amount of time it can cause depression just because it can. But lets call it the blues to separate it from full blown chemical induced depression. The blues are easier to deal with.

So a couple of things to help with this:

1 the program works, CBT works but this program has a very good record.
2 when you start to think like this it is a normal reaction to the fact that you are either starting to feel better or at least think you have a chance to. It is called self sabotage. People are tenacious, they don't like to give up even if what they are trying to give up is negative.
3 Tell yourself this is a normal part of the cure because it is. Every one goes through this to some extent. Some more so some less. Some don't even notice.
4 and this is important. They only seem to come out of the blue, there is a reason or trigger. It can be impossible to find and although it is nice to know what it is it is not necessary to know to do the program. Often it will show up at the right moment. 
5 it takes 12 weeks to do the program but, it is only the beginning, it gives you the tools to continue.

Let me clarify one thing. there are two parts to the program. Part A the program itself, and the auxiliary part. You can skip ahead to parts of the auxiliary, but to avoid confusion and set backs you must do the first part in sequence. No skipping. You will only end up going back.
And finally 12 weeks is an average you may do it faster or slower.
Most people say they get some relief after the first few sessions.

On the subject of books. Beware any that offer a simple quick cure. These quick cures all fall flat over time. There are some very good books, there is also some good free information on the net. I find the sites that start by telling you they are selling a book better than the ones with pages of promises and then a book to buy. But better yet, go back through the posts and read here what people say about these books.
A book can not cure you, only you can cure you, the book can only guide.

Stick with it, and stick with us, it does work and some of us that look and sound like we have nothing wrong are actually cured. I don't like that word, I prefer free for very good reasons which you will see as you progress.

Another thing, this is a condition, not a disease. There is a difference. This is totally curable. I am proof of that. 

Davit.
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T,
Before I let you go, to keep yourself motivated, if you need that, I found that there's a  type of communicating that helps, called a social contract.
 
Some post their goals on their blog.  I find just talking about where I'm at, makes me feel compelled to take action, and stay focused, so I can discuss it next time we talk. eg.  I'm taking a home renovation course, so one guy always asks how far along I am, if I've talked about a problem with a toilet for example.  So he'll ask the next week, how's it going with the toilet.
 
This program is in distinct units, so you can mention where you are, giving you momentum.  You can also skip to parts that are more relevant.
 
The personal growth journey never ends
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Thanks for the suggestions Hugs I will look into picking up a few books in the morning. 

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T,
Under the forum "Relaxation and  Lifestyle", you'll see a topic "Books that have helped". 
 
Or just start a new thread, because there are many newcomers to the sight who I'm certain are sharing our journey
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T,
All the info you need is on the website.  I find I always need some intellectual stimulation to supplement text.  Beware if you use reading to avoid socializing, though, since this school of psychology needs a lot of "homework", and it has very high success rates!
 
Posting to ask questions, is great, but I don't find many people really do that.  This is a great lifeline when you need help.
 
There is a current thread with the educators online 24/7 I find.  They're also on the sister sites(found under "more help") too, so it might take a while before you get an answer.
 
If you need some suggestions on good books, just ask, and many of us will give our suggestions.  I could suggest Mastery of Anxiety and Worry, and another is Mind Over Mood.
 
Heard the Amazon website went down, though...
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My main fear is easily identifiable it is the fear of having a panic attack this seems to be the catalyst of my panic cycle. I am working though the program and hope to work toward adjusting this process.

I have however started to fear becoming depressed, I am scared that my negative thoughts regarding my panic and current life situation will lead me to become depressed.  I am trying to figure out if it is just something I am dwelling on due to the medication or my current situation.  Like everyone else I have had some kind of depression in the past but this is different, it is as though I am catastrophizing  my potential to become depressed. 

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