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My struggle with the relapse issue


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Once again, thank you to everyone who contributed here. I have re-read each of your responses several times, and everyone had some useful wisdom here.
 
Well, I've had several weeks to just let the thoughts here settle in my mind. At some point, a couple of things sunk in with me:
 
1)  Lolly's words, "Who am I to judge who is deserving of sympathy and understanding?" finally hit me on a deeper level. Basically, I am not the conscience-police. It's none of my business as to who is sincere and who is full of ----. Each person has to live with their own motivations and choices. 
2) Why would anyone come here with any other motivation but to quit smoking? So, if people stumble over and over, that's all that it is---stumbling. It is nothing for me to take personally, as that is part of another person's personal struggle. They came here for support in that struggle, so I can either give support or shut up.
3)  Those who go through multiple quit attempts in a short time actually have it way more together than I did. I tried to quit a couple of times about 20 years ago, found it too hard and frustrating, and just gave up for 2 decades. Who am I to judge someone who takes several runs at it before getting it right? They might actually be in the process of saving themselves 20 more years of damage. 
 
 ...And finally,
4)  Just because I'm having a moment of clarity on this subject right now doesn't mean I will necessarily stay clear. Coping with my reactions to others, just like quitting smoking, is a day-by-day process. 
 
(In other words, I reserve the right to revisit this topic as needed.  ) 
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Very honest thread Working On It.  That honesty, in itself, gives you a higher level of understanding yourself, your addiction and what you can offer others in terms of support.  I appreciate that about your posts very much.  Thanks for that thought provoking insight.
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Hello all,
 
Thanks to everyone who responded here. I've read the responses a couple of times and I'm still processing. A lot of positive thoughts here. Thanks.  
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Hi Working on it,
 
Great thread! Very insightful.
 
For some tips on how to detach you may want to check you the Self Care section in Helping Fellow Members.
 
 

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Hello Working On It , Lolly , dori. When we see something about someone or something that we don't like such as relapse it isn't so much that we think someone who relapses is weak but the fear that we feel is that of looking in the mirror at the less than perfect qualities of ourselves. What I'm trying to say is that if I'm fearful or don't like a certain something an individual does that it's usually a reflection of what I don't like about me. Great post Working. Although we aren't responsible for our addiction we are responsible for our recovery. Thank you for being here Lolly as you have made a difference in my quit when I first came around here. I didn't think anything bothered you Lolly . dori , I've been addicted to every addiction known to man ( and some they haven't thought of yet ) and can say with a certainty that all addiction is intertwined , woven from the same fabric of self- gratification. By giving away what we have we get to keep what we have. Looks to me like you're all doing great. Excellent for you. breather. That's breather with a small b because the Addict is bigger than I am.
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HI Working On It,
 
When I quit drinking over 3 years ago, it was my first quit attempt and I was terrified at the thought of relapsing, even though the counsellors in my program told us that addiction is a realapsable disorder.  Although that doesn't mean we should give ourselves permission to relapse, we should also not beat ourselves up for it.  I would truly despise the people who relapsed despite being aware that addiction does have a high rate of relapse.  With thime and introspection I came to the realization that my anger was fear based.  In other words, I did not want to "fail" and was unsure I would ever try to quit again now knowing everything I had to go through to do so.  What ended up ultimately helping me the most to be empathetic towards people who relapsed and to not judge them was becoming the moderator of a self-help group for people with addictions and mental health issues.  This was a huge leap for me not just because of my hostility towards the idea of relapse, but because of my law enforcemnt background.  Seeing and accepting myself as an addict took a long time for a black and white judgmental thinker! So I look at my addiction now as a bit of a blessing.  It has forced me to broaden my thinking, be less judgmental and more empathic and grow emotionally in ways I probably may not have had I continued to drink, abuse prescription medication and smoke.  That's my two cents worth on relapse.
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Hi Working,
 
I suffered from the same relapse issues as you when I quit.  My husband continued to smoke for a time after I quit...at my request...as I had disassociated his smoking from my quit.  Finally, when he quit, (BTW he only smoked 3 cigarettes a day,) he found it very hard.
 
Eight years ago I used to write so much more on SSC, when I first quit, originally to help myself, and ultimately to help others and 'give back.'  The threads I avoided were relapse ones. 'oops' ones and 'I'm so sorry' ones.  Sometimes I did respond, and I probably upset a lot of people, as I 'shot from the hip.'  I could not feel sorry for people who 'just had one.'  To a certain extent, I still feel the same way and I simply avoid writing on such threads.  FYI- I am as hard on myself as I am on others!
 
Brent coming back after having relapsed did not bother me, as he had not come back for sympathy or empathy, just for support on this attempt.  Some other returns were the same....a genuine second, third or whatever attempt.  I think we can see through the ones who are not too serious;  the ones who say 'I'm quitting again in a few days, but have done no preparation;  etc.
 
You hit it on the head when you said, " I can tell from your writing..."  That is how I judge whether to be empathetic or not.  I remember the feelings I had when I failed in my various attempts at quitting.....I had no self-esteem whatsoever!.....yet I'd come on here and lambast someone for lack of preparation, determination, positivity.  This facet of my personality used to bother me, but I decided finally that there were others more equipped to respond with kindness.
 
Who am I to judge who is deserving of sympathy and understanding?  I really don't know!     You have me ruminating now!!!     I did try to put a sympathetic note into my sermons, but if I put anyone off quitting again, I'm sorry.  A few did comment and say, "You say it as it is!" but they did thank me in the end.
 
A very interesting post!  It has called for a bit of introspection!
 
Love Lolly.  
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hello all,
 
I have been trying to collect my thoughts on this one for at least a week now.
 
I still live with a roommate who smokes and has no apparent desire to quit. I am OK with this. Aside from thinking he's a bit stinky when he comes back into the house, I am detached from his nicotine situation. That is for him to work out for himself... or not. Either way, it's got nothing to do with my quit. 
 
For some reason, the relapse issue is harder for me to come to terms with. Just like my overall quit, this one is about me and no one else. Yet, for some reason, it's hitting me differently. So I've been asking myself why it bugs me so much when another person relapses. What does that have to do with me? I think it ultimately has to do with my own fears about my quit. So, utilizing one of the worry exercises I've read here, I'll go through the mental story I'm telling myself: 
 
"If I show compassion for a fellow quitter who has slipped up, this will lead me to be more compassionate with the side of me that would like to have one more puff. If I give that part of me any slack, then I will be puffing one more and then another and then another. I need to maintain a zero tolerance mindset in order to stay on my path. On the other hand, as a decent human being who has experienced multiple attempts at some other goals, I can empathize with and hope for people who are ready to take another run at this goal. In fact, I should respect their courage in getting themselves back up, dusting off the ashes, and trying again. And I know that each successive attempt is more likely to be the final one. I know that those who have relapsed and come back are ultimately working towards successful outcomes. But then, it doesn't seem fair that they get to go back for a few more puffs and still get support. Why can't I go back for a few more puffs? And I know that the answer is that I can't handle a few more puffs. None of us can. That's why we are here on this board. We're the last of the incorrigibles, since other folks have managed to quit once and for all without all the drama. And the behaviorist in me wants to turn my back on the person who has relapsed, since it seems too reinforcing to welcome them back, and I want the threat of not being welcomed back if I relapse. But on the other hand, I would hope that some kind soul would acknowledge, encourage, and respect me and my struggle if I were to come back. But I don't want to relapse in the first place. ...And those who have are embodiments of my own fear. And I don't know quite how to resolve it within myself." 
 
By the way, I suspect that brent the mad Englishman will read this at some point. I do want to say thank you, brent for coming back and articulating so clearly how much of a struggle this has been for you. I can tell from your writing that you most likely have denied yourself pleasure and even punished yourself over relapsing. And from the outside, I can see how it's not necessary for me or anyone else to ignore, punish, lecture, etc. In fact, the most productive thing would be to hope for and support you just like any other quitter here. And that doesn't mean that I need to relapse. Your descriptions help me to realize how crappy I would feel if I did...and how much support I would need if that happened. It would probably be a whole bunch more than the first time around. ...So, hat's off to you and anyone else who is strong enough to come back and do this thing more than once for it to "take". 
 
There may be more rumination on this issue later. In the meantime, if anyone has any words of wisdom on how to detach from another's struggle while also remaining supportive, feel free to tell your tales. (And yes, y'all, I already know that I have some codependent tendencies. I'm trying to work some of that out here.)  
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