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Vickers - That sounds very logical to me, that you would be worrying about the huge responsibility you have towards your children. The strange thing for me was that the panic disorder didn't start until my older son turned 12. As long as I was in total control, I felt safe. But when he turned 12 I was terribly afraid of the change... But so many other things happened at the same time (constant fighting with my husband and talk about divorce, resulting problems with residency etc., also challenges of the internet and all the changes that are going on in the world) that I find it extremely difficult to sort it all out. hope
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Hope - That does make a lot of sense actually. I've often wondered the same thing. My panic attacks started when my kids were very young. So, I've often wondered if having so much that I have to be in control of is one thing that sparked all this. Being a mom is a huge responsibility and it's so nerve wracking to think that so much of who are affects who they become. It makes me anxious just thinking about it.....
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Vickers - I've been trying to respond to your post but seem to lose every message. Something's going on... Okay. Well. Let me try again. .. You said PAs might be a control issue. Maybe the connection between growing up in a large family and control is that in a large family you are never in control of anything, and then when you are in a situation where you are in control (like having your own children) it's hard to give it up. Would that make sense? Of course not being in control as a child is rather normal, but maybe it's still different when the ones in control are not only your parents but also a bunch of older siblings. hope
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I hear you! I cannot even hear what my kids are saying to me while I'm waiting to go in at the doctor's office. I never thought about how isolating you feel at these times. Kinda like the whole world is going on and no on had any idea what you are going through. Low self esteem...interesting. Not caring about ourselves....ironic when you are consumed with preserving your life interesting thoughts!
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I notice that when in a PA and in the aftermath all I can think about is myself and how I am feeling - I become totally self absorbed and have no capacity to listen or give feedback to any of my friends. I hate it because it makes me feel even more lonely and isolated and I find it pretty ironic considering anxiety can often happen to people who generally have low self esteem and DON'T care about themselves enough.
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Hope - I know that everyone has their own things they are having panic attacks about. But for me, in analyzing the question of what is your payoff, and in doing a lot of digging into myself, I do wonder if part of it is a kind of cry for help. I grew up in a family of six children, I am the youngest. I was always off to the side and always felt unimportant. So, from Dr. Phil's point of view, it makes me wonder if part of my panic comes from the need to be noticed. It really makes me sick to my stomach to think that any part of me could be so needy and self absorbed, but it does make me wonder. Besides, Dr. Phil does say - you cannot change what you don't acknowledge. Most of my anxiety comes from not being able to control certain things though. But, I do think that some of it also comes from this other aspect.
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Wow, this is one of the most interesting chat sessions on this disorder I've found. In my case I certainly think there is a pay-off - I view it as my subconscious trying to 'save' me - because it always occurs in response to a particular situation, or combination of situations, in which I feel powerless and in danger (of offending my internal critic, or whatever - haven't quite worked that bit out yet). In my view my subconscious is just doing what it thinks it needs to do to protect me and my feeling of self worth - whatever it takes. Pity the resulting symptoms tear down my feelings of power and self worth quicker than just about any situation could ever do! That is the irony I guess. And I so identify with the disappointment you guys have been talking about. I've never been so disappointed and am still adjusting to the thought I'm going to have to 'manage' this problem - probably for the rest of my life. Will we ever rest easy? I guess in time I will learn to adjust. :)
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Okay people, I promise, this is the last of "Dr.Phil-ism's" but I looked up the chapters in his LIFE MATTERS- Doing What Works book, I'm thinking reading this book through our eyes might do us some good. Some of the chapters are: YOU CANNOT CHANGE WHAT YOU DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE LIFE IS MANAGED, NOT CURED LIFE REWARDS ACTION THERE IS NO REALITY ONLY PERCEPTION PEOPLE DO WHAT WORKS YOU CREATE YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE TO NAME IT TO CLAIM IT YOU EITHER GET IT OR YOU DON'T I think there is a lot there that applies to us! Again, if your anxiety is caused from a chemical imbalance this won't solve your problems. BUT if through years of negative thinking, some bad experiences, getting yourself in a rut, this could help! I especially like, 'Life is managed, not cured' because I think so many of us want ourselves to be back to normal, perfect, etc. Part of the pain is being so diappointed with yourself. I think we need to realize the reality of the life is that there will also be struggles and that's okay. Of course you keep trying and working at it but you don't beat yourself and feel like a failure when you have bad days. I'll stop now! Take care :)
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Vickers 4: you said that panic attacks make us more interesting. That might be one way to put it. But that would mean that we normally don't feel we are interesting and cared for. It's really a cry for help and acceptance, no? hope
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Sue89, I agree, if it is chemical. That would be the equilivent of saying diabetics have a pay off. Obviously, not true. However, this could be a learned behavior for many people. Again, (sounding like a real Dr.Phil fan), he says, "You choose the behavior, you choose the consequence". And I don't choose to have horrible thought come into my head to haunt me. BUT it is the small choices from googling symptoms, not forcing yourself to go outside and do something fun, dwelling on things, etc. that gets us in bad places. In short, we all have to accept some responsibilty to where we are. I think its only when you do that can you start seeing success. The first step to fixing this problem is accepting your role in it. Obviously, we've opened a big can of worms with all sorts of loaded statements and I think the conclusion we can draw is the we need a certified psychologist to answer this one! love&peace ;)

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