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Hi Deanna:  So happy to read your post this morning.  and especially happy to hear all went well for your daughter.  thank you for your update and sharing the good news.  You sound upbeat.  Good for you.
 
Your friend, Sunny
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Hi Davit, Your post struck a nerve with me. Especially the agoraphobia and I think you may be right. Like the fear of things that are beyond my control-you are right in many aspects. I do have a lot of that type of fear. Also I took your advice and have tried to trim some of the stress. More family members are taking on added responsibility which has helped. On another note, my daughters surgery went extremely well and I made it through without a panic attack-so was very pleased. Deanna
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Sunny, loves trees,

We really tend to believe it is our fault so try to stick it out and fix it. The other thing we do is stick it out because we hate to lose.

Here for you.
Davit.
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Sunny123,
 
Just know that you can distance yourself from her and from what you say here, in the long run you are going to be making space for someone who can be a better friend to you. I had someone like that in my life, it took me a long time to realize and accept (its still hard to fully accept) that she was not my friend. Friends do not want you to feel bad. Even if they think you have hurt their feelings they don't want to retaliate or something like that. I have one real friend now, and last year I had to back out of something we had planned because I was just too anxious to go through with it and her response to me was "I'm sorry to hear you're havving a hard time, let me know if you ever need someone to talk to". No guilt, no passive aggresison from her, just understanding. That is a real friend. They are out there. 
 
It can be really hard to cut someone out of your life but its hardest at the beginning and over time I have felt better and better about my decision to cut out the person who was not my friend. And now after a couple years of not seeing her and being around a few more people who are kind and considerate like my new friend , I would find my old "friends" behavious abhorrent and it would stick out and be obvious to me that she is not my friend. But before you distance yourself it can be hard to see that, and also for me, there was sheer disbeleif that people can be like that because I have never behaved that way to that extreme, and i suspect you probably never havve either so you assume your motives and thoughts aboout your friendship with her match up with hers.
 
She may be mimicking instead of being honest when she speaks. Some people, as Davit pointed out, are not available for friendship. It can be easy to fall for them because they may be very good at mimicking the words and behaviours they havve observed and they think (or have learned) gets people to trust them. But if you step back and listen to everytyhing they say, not just the nice things, and all their behaviours added together , as you have done here by describing some of her less than supportive behaviours towards you, you will start to see that their "nice" words and actions are not telling the whole story. They may say some nice things and then some nasty things and it can be confusing. but real friends don't say nasty things to us and if they do, they tend to apologize after they realize they hurt our feelings. If this isn't happening with her, it is a red flag.
 
Sunny you deserve good friends who listten and support you and don't ever spend time making you feel bad about yourself. I know it is tough. It gets easier. And there are some really nice kind people out there.  Not as many as I used to think but some none the less. You are taking care of your self by investigating this and thinking about what to do with this friendship.
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Hi Loves trees and Davit:  Thanks for your replies.  I have had many conversations with this friend about boundaries, and have been very specific about them.  One boundary is my volunteer work and those who work there.  We no longer can discuss this as she is very critical.  That was one decided and accepted conclusion last time we had a discussion.  Unfortunately, there are other issues and I feel as though I am walking on eggshells all the time.  Things are good for the first few months, then I'm a bad person - her words.  I apologize (for hardly knowing what I did wrong, though she informs me in great lengths, over and over again) then says she has to think about it for several days and does not accept the apology.  After several episodes of this sort of behaviour, I feel this is not for me.  I agree with you Loves trees that it is difficult to say "never", so that I have already tried the time outs frequently.  You can say "no" to this person but she won't accept it and bullies you into her way.  I'm pretty strong and will do my own thing but have to admit this wears me out. This has been going on for several years.  This person is quick to judge you but you cannot reply - she is right, you are wrong.  When does she learn the consquences of her actions if we all give in to her?  I think I need a very very long time out.
I'm feeling much better about it today, not so emotional so can make a better decision.  I usually wait until I am calm to make a serious choice.
 
Your friend, Sunny
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loves trees.

Very good advice and often we do need a time out. All our friends can not be compatible and some times they have good points to compensate for their bad. 
But there is a type of person that is very hard to be friends with because they don't want a friend, they want some one who will do what they want and do it their way. Some times they are nice till they have you hooked then they tighten the stress screws. There is the type of person that believes you can not do anything right  so they have to do it for you, right down to how you can act or think. This type of person, and there is a name for it, can never change because they firmly believe they have the only answer. It takes a person with a lot of wall paper and credentials to convince them they are wrong and need help. They will not listen to you. For your own sanity you must sever the friendship because it will never change. It will always cause you anxiety and often anger. If you deal with them long enough you will start to believe them. Not a good situation. Friends don't do this to each other.

Here for you
Davit.
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Hi Sunny123,
 
I have experienced having to distance myself from certain people during specific times in my life. My advice is to tell yourself you are simply taking a time out from this person. Because when you say (even just to yourself) "its over forever" or "i never want to see her again" you can end up beating yourself up over whether this is a "good" decision or not. Because it can cause anxiety to think about never seeing the person again. The reality is you have no idea if this will be a good friendship a year from now or not. So making really absolute type statements leads to wondering if you are making the best decision. It would be odd if it didn't since a friendship is a valuable thing and its hard to make an absolute decision about a valuable thing.
 
It is much easier psychologically speaking, to say "I need a break right now" instead of "we're done forever".I don't mean in terms of making her feel better, I mean in terms of you feeling good about needing distance.
 
Now there are people who can hear "i need a break from you" and they say "i understand" and wait for you to feel better and call them up and there are other people who freak out when you say "I need a break from you". In my experience, if the person is the latter type, I take the break without making a big proclamation about it to them. The reality is you need a break for a bit (at least) to sort out what this friendship is for you, and this person may or may not accept that. That doesn't change the fact that you need the break, it just means they are struggling to accept it. Being on the receiving end of such information myself, I can admit humbly that even when I wish I was mature enough to hear it, sometimes if I am down, and my friend says "hey by the way i need a break from you" I get sad even if I wish I were a bigger person than that. What I mean is, she may take it badly and it doesn't mean she doesn't care it may mean her feelings are hurt by hearing it.
 
Anyways, you should take the break you need and consider whether you can do that quietly if she will take it badly, i.e. just tell them you are busy the next time they ask to do something and then go from there. Breaks from people are not bad. Even people who love each other need breaks. There is nothing wrong with you needing a break and in the ideal world your friend would respond with "Wow. I'm glad you value our friendship so much that you are able to be honest with me about having energy for us right now or not and I am so glad you know how to take such good care of yourself by asserting your needs." These are the sorts of things really wise people might be able to say but it can take a long time for us to get there. I count myself in there. I have a friend right now who doesn't want as much contact with me as I want with her. She has been open about this. on good days I am glad that she knows how to assert boundaries because she has worked hard to become this strong person who can say what she needs. But on bad days of course I am upset she is not wanting to be my best pal right now.
 
My point is that your friend may feel she really wants you around and thus may react poorly if you tell her you need a break, but it is important for you to (like my friend is doing with me) stick to what you need. And friendships change over time, they are not static things. This person may  be a better friend to you in the future, and making smaller , shorter time frame statements like "I just need a break from her right now" is more open ended than "we are done"
 
Although sometimes you get to that point but then when you get there with someone , you feel quite certain and the certainty feels good and the way you phrased your email it doesn't sound like you necessarilly want this person out of your life forever , just some distance. 
 
If your friend responds well and says "when you feel it is the right time, we should talk about this" or something acknowledging your needs this will be a good sign you can use the conflict management skills in the toolbox with her. Its either in the toolbox here or some other site about relationshisp that i read that if one person doesn't want to resolve the situation then it can't get resolved because that person is basically not going to participate in making any changes or do any problem solving. Sometimes that happens. I hate to be pessimistic about people but some people don't want to improve their relationships with others because it makes them admit they need to change. But some people value their friendships and want to know if their friend is feeling suffocated by them.
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Hi sunny123,
 
I am sorry to hear that you are experiencing stress due to the relationship with your girlfriend. I highly recommend taking a look through session 11 on relationships and session 12 on resolving disputes. There are strategies on communication styles and techniques for resolving disputes. You will have to determine if this relationship is worth working on and if that is the case then you can try implementing these techniques in order to improve the situation.
 
Members, what tips do you have for these types of situations with friends?

 

Samantha, Health Educator
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Good morning all:  Or is it?  I am not having a good morning.  I am filled with stress over a gf relationship which is up and down, up and down.  I have tried my best to be a good friend.  When something bothers her, even if I apologize to something which I don't think was bad, she doesn't accept it and has to mull it over for days.  I'm tired of bending over backwards.  I am thinking of severing this relationship as it causes me anxiety and stress and sadness.  Any words of wisdom to help me? So how do I distance myself?
 
Your friend, Sunny
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Dtaber

Most people think of agoraphobia as being a fear of open places, but if you look at the reason why people are afraid of open places it is because there is so much happening around that they have no control of. So some people have changed the definition to include the fear of having no control which now covers a lot more ground. I tend to go with them.
If you think of it this way then you are agoraphobic because what I read from your post if I am right is that you have no control of what is happening around you, including the fear of dying and leaving your children in some one else's hands.

Empathy is one thing but remember there is a fine line between it and codependence.

Concern is good, even over concern, But if you let your concern cross the line into control you will have a harder time separating yourself from the stress.

You have enough on your plate. My advice is not to eliminate all the stress but to trim the corners off them. Don't try to do it all. Let some one else handle some of it. Even if it is not how you would as long as it does not jeopardize there health. You may even get support.

The past is past and can't be changed only learned from, let it go and concentrate on today.
Dwelling on past mistakes or thinking about how life used to be just adds stress.

Here for you.
Davit.

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