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Moncbt, If you'd like tips on communication style and assertiveness, please continue to work through our program. Session 11 focuses on just that! Danielle ______________________ The DC Support Team
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Hi John, The concept of IDS is covered extensively in "Subordination and Defeat: An Evolutionary Approach to Mood Disorders and Their Therapy,". I'm thankful you brought up the issue of self-esteem. I was never aware that I lacked it; it was friends who repeatedly pointed out to me that "[I] had no self-esteem." That comment alone sure did wonders to boost my spirits! How to get it, that's what i want to know. Nice observation about the guilt-shame cycle. Guilt is a moral reproach. Shame is a narcissitc reproach. The first is a blow to one's integrity, the second a blow to one's pride. I think i feel guilty for too many darn things, including asserting myself. If I fear self-assertiveness, how could I possibly esteem myself? I find it takes a lot of strength and courage this assertiveness business. The lazy route, the easy route (with a high price) is just being a doormat. Doormat=depression. If you find any good sources on how to build (regain?) esteem or assertiveness post them here. I'll try to not feel guilty reading them ; ) moncbt.
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Hi, Thanks for responding, I did a quick google search about IDS as well, but didn't find too much material. I read a very interesting paper about the theory that IDS is an evolutionary trait as well as a learned behavior, it was a bit wordy for me so I can't say I understood it 100%. It makes sense to me that IDS is a learned behavior, but find it hard to image this as a trait inherited from one generation to the next, althought that is what the author seemed to imply. In addition to IDS, the main cause for my 'apolgism' (and possibly everyone who has it) is lack of self esteem. I am aware of my low self esteem but have never really conquered it or even systematically addressed it. I guess its just something that comes naturally, or it becomes part of you so you barely notice, except ofcourse for the shame it causes. I have experienced your example as well many times, if someone bumps into me, I am likely to apologize and feel bad for being there in the first place. After that feeling, I will feel shame for feeling guilty about something so insignificant, so its almost like cycle of negative self thought. I also hope this program will address self esteem issues and that I see some positive changes in my life. I'm starting session 2 today, so hopefully it'll be as interesting as the first. p.s if you found some interesting reading on IDS online you should post it here.
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Hi John, Many for replying to my post. I suffer from Apologism as well. I apologize -- or 'accomodate' to someone who has done me some form of wrong, too. For example, I'm quick to apologize if someone chance steps on my toes. (Guilt? Shame? maybe my toes shouldn't have been there in the first place?)Conversly, if I should (to carry the same example over) step on someone's toes, I'd agonize deeply on end even though in this scenario too, I was quick to apologize. I 'googled' IDS, as Danielle had pointed out in this discussion thread that there several published materials on the topic; I found a slew of resources. As it were, one link lead to another and I'm currently reading a book on topic on loan from the public library. I also empathize with this strange (maybe perverse?) discretion between as you point out logical justification and unreasonable behaviour. As is often the case for me, I KNOW x,y,z in unreasonable, but i still do it anyway! Perhaps this stems from a disconnect between my thoughts and feelings. Somehow, and with the hope of this program, the two can come to a success stratedy! moncbt.
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I just finished session 1. I also had never heard about IDS and it was interesting as I had never really thought about depressive behavior int those terms before. I think this may explain some of the behavior I am prone to, I find I apologize a lot, for mundane things,(it seems more than I should), and I have strong feelings of guilt and shame that I cannot really justify logically( I'm still open to the theory that I am a complete *******, even though logically I would have to think the opposite, I am very tired of playing that game with myself). That is part of what has brought me here, so I'm looking forward to learning more.
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Moncbt, Welcome! Please take the time to familiarize yourself with our program tools and begin working through our CBT program. If you'd like to learn more about IDS there are many great books out there on the subject. Also feel free to share your thoughts with us on how IDS relates to you. This evolutionary theory certainly offers a new and exciting look at depression and other mood disorders! Danielle _____________________ The DC Support Team
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Hello, I joined the Depression Center program just today (April 19). Reading through the introductary program materials, much of the content was familiar to me regarding the supporting theory of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy... except one, and it is this one I found, for reasons of novelty and downright plausibility, most intriguing: Involuntary Defeat Strategy (IDS). Never heard of the concept before. It strikes a chord (thought)and resonates with my experience (feelings and behaviour). I'd be delighted to learn more about the concept as well as exchange posts with members of this group who identify IDS as a component of their depression. moncbt.

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