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hi doncato, an informative, intelligent discussion about living with depression would never anger me. The 30 second ads are to raise awareness of the misunderstanding most people -friends, coleagues and family- have. however, by using 20 seconds on the myths and stigma they are offering no education; other than to educate more negatively! their catch phrase is "for those with depression they would rather be broken and suffer a physical ailment... because of the misunderstanding that surround mental illnesses..."
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Hi wildcat, In order to continue our cat conversation: I understand your feelings and I would be furious as well if I would hear/see such a campaign as you descript. The campaign I mention is different. E.g. there was a 90 min contribution in the TV. A camera team accompanied four persons, showing they every day life. Four different persons, living at four different places.. Age between early 20 and mid 50. Two with a job, one unemployed, one student. The voice-over were always from the showed person itself talking about his/her feelings, history, experiences and problems. All interviewed persons were bipolar. They talking about medications in general terms only – not a single brand name or company was mentioned. You would be furious as well if you see such movie in TV?
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hi gang, in my little part of the world... there recently was an ad campaign to sensitize the public to current attitudes towards mental illnesses. And i mentioned how much I hated them!!! One on the radio started... when you have a mental illness to you can get treatment... you can be treated like a traitor, slacker, etc... (and I never listened to the rest because I hated the commercial for reminding me of what others might think...) Another TV ad had a gentleman on his bed with voices of his family and friends reproaching him... you are still taking the kids this week-end! ... what a lucky person you are 3 months paid vacation ... (and this one also spurred lots of hurt in me). I know the point was to show just how wrong the judgements were but it sort of had the same effect as those ads from the association des automobilists du quebec... where you have the scene of a car accident and a child calling mommy then flash back to a few moments earlier where the wife says the husband is going a bit too fast and he says no it's all right. Those who speed do not see themselves as stupid enough to be fast and "careless" so do not identify with the commercial. And the rest of us are furious at these imbeciles! a+
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Hi DonGato Sorry, I didn't mean to say that I am skeptical about research done by the pharmaceutical firms -- I agree with you completely that without it, we would still be in the dark ages in terms of our understanding of illness and medicine. I meant that it's easier to cast doubt on research that is done by someone with a vested interest in the results, which is what the comedian and the authors did for research done on depression and anxiety. Our thread on house-building hasn't been closed, just moved to the Challenging Negative Thoughts forum. Take care
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Hi confused, the educational campaigns I refer to is part of the EAAD project – European alliance against depression. This project is - as far as I know - independent from and not sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry. Of course, the campaigns are not completely unbiased; nevertheless, the influence of pharmaceutical companies is much smaller as in your examples. I understand your scepticism about the research by pharmaceutical companies. Without any doubt the research work itself is very sold – (Please, don’t get mad at me. I have to take up the cudgels for it). On the other hand, the results are often interpreted in such way to sell more drugs – as you highlighted. As I noted our small discussion (build a house) has been locked. Do you know why?
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Rightly so Confused! Sunshine has also been shown to be a mood booster! Danielle, Bilingual Health Educator
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Hi DonGato Studies have shown that Omega 3 can improve mood -- best source is oily fish like salmon and mackerel. We have lots of information campaigns on depression, but they're typically put out by the pharmaceutical companies which, in turn, creates cynicism and actually strengthens the stigma, I think. The pharmaceutical companies really are going overboard, breaking disorders down into tiny parts -- one pill for Social Phobia, another for MDD, another for GAD. etc. Some of these are a result of concrete research and are completely valid, but a lot of the research into mental illness is sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies themselves so, valid or not, it raises questions. And it's not the truth that matters, it's the perception. I was at a comedy show a couple of months ago where part of the comedian's routine was about GAD being a creation of the pharmaceutical companies, and there are some books newly out on similar topics -- also illustrating how over-medicated we are as a society. Books like these tend to be American and based on American data, but refer to North America rather than just the USA. Our culture is different, but somewhat similar in this regard. Canada used to not allow drug advertising, and the companies got around that by talking about symptoms and saying "see your doctor if you have any or all of these". Now they are blatant and network tv is inundated with ads for this drug or that. It really is awful, and I think that we sufferers of depression and anxiety in its various forms are in for a rough time with regard to stigma and silent discrimination.
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Hi Daily Llama, I do not know any place in the world where depression hasn’t stigmata. I’m sure you can tell many negative stories about it. I like to tell you something positives: Recently an educational campaign was lanced here. It triggers some discussions in public. Now, you can find occasionally contribution in newspapers or in the TV. People are now more awake to depression and have lesser prejudices but, of course, they are still bias. In the framework of this educational campaign, some scientific studies were published. One of them, a European focused study, pointing out that e.g., French prefers psychoanalysis, German-speaking peoples go for psychotherapy in the first place and an Englishman favour to take medications. Perhaps I didn’t catch the bottom line of this study ;-) but it turned out as useful to read it. Today I mention it to some colleagues and I triggered an ingenuous discussion about depression. It was helpful for me to listen to other opinions. What do you can tell me about the current situation in Canada? There are also educational campaigns supported by the government? Open discussions? Spots in the TV?
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Tell me more about the "culture differences" ... are you saying that the stigma in your homeland is radically different than here in Canada? Tell us more about this attitude because it's such an important factor in recovering from depression...
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Hi Daily Llama, Thank for your support. Please, don’t get me wrong. I’m not adamant refusing medications. I know that nowadays there are very good drugs with less side effects on the market. On the other hand, think about the benefit-risk assessment: Independent on the degree of severity of the illness the negative side effects applying pharmaceuticals are always the same. The benefit is huge by treating MDD but much smaller by milder forms. Furthermore, take into account that there are culture differences in the acceptance using medications, psychotherapy or psychoanalysis. In addition to your recommendation - according to my experiences - it’s help to promenade in the sunshine and eating fish. I haven’t any clue why my mood improves if I eat more fish but it works for me.

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