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Here you go, DJ, some "advice" for what it's worth.... Remember this is just one guy's opinion!!
 
    This Friday night, when your wife has come home from work, you tell her to go and take a nap for an hour and that you'll have a surprise for her when she gets up.
      Put a clean table cloth and serviettes (real ones, not paper) over the dining table. Get two big 16oz wine glasses with long stems. Go buy some candle sticks and candles. Get an African violet (or any small flowers) and wrap it a bit with coloured paper and put it in the center of the table. Put some soft music on the stereo (could be classical or Ry Cooder or Rickie Lee Jones...)
 
   Now for the meal.
  Buy a small bag of shrimp and a nice dip for hors d'oeuvres ...
 If you've no idea how to cook a meal go to your local decent restaurant and buy two take-outs of best steaks and a Caesar salad and then a decent bottle of wine. Get two desserts in a box from the local pastry store... get a small fresh baguette and some small bit of cheese to finish the meal. It's a romantic, candle-lit supper we're going for here... it could be pizza but that's not very candle-lit-like, is it?
 
  Here's the point.
  Your son is out staying with a friend or in his room playing Nintendo or whatever - you're alone with the woman you love.  You want to talk to her and have her talk to you.  Tell her that you're afaid that there's too much distance between you and her.  That you need her and love her and will make many sacrifices (you'll change this or that habit) for her.  That you're sorry that she is depressed and that it's making you depressed that she is so far away from you and that you want to make it better for both of you... that you appreciate her for all the mothering she's done for your children and for the many years she's been a great wife to you. That you need her to be open and honest with you and that you're ready to have regular "talk" evenings with her in future...
 
    Now, you have to be open to what she is going to say back to you after you've said all this!  Let her say what she wants and don't argue. She may want to say things to you that she has bottled up for a long time... let her get them out. Don't interrupt or make excuses or "explanations". LISTEN to her carefully and let her know with your body language that you're HEARING what she is saying...don't be quick to jump in defensively when she finishes a thought and there's a gap in her speech (feel lucky that she is still in love with you enough to be 'angry' with you and finger-pointing at you)...  you just sit there and take it until she's exhausted all her pain and frustration.... don't get excited and raise your voice when you decide it's time for you to respond to her... speak softly, apologetically (for having caused pain in her life, if that's the case) - be ready to give her a hug but only when she wants you to ... remember that her emotions are 'up' and raw-ish right now... Take the TIME to think about what she has said... tell her that you're going to think about what she said and when you've worked out a mature response then you tell her what you think...  how about next Friday night? Dinner for two - on you??
 
Patrick

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 Mom of 3
      Your in the club!lol
Wildcat,thats a bad biker type name your in too! i think im going to make some good feinds here,and get good advice. 
                                                                                                                                                                                     
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DJ
 
Bikers are people who like motorcycles.  I am a short woman (under 5') and trying to lose too much weight.  I don't think they make a cycle for my short legs! Even with the weight training I'm doing I'm not sure I'd be able to hold one up.  Maybe I'm a scooter person. If you don't mind that I'm not a biker, I don't mind at all that you are.  It's your way, it is a part of you.  This is why I don't believe your wife would really want to to make a drastic change in who you are - Just your priorities.
 
Please keep me informed on your progress.  I wish you and your wife much happiness.  (By the way I have 2 daughters, now out of the house and a son still at home - I know what you mean about teenaged girls - My sympathies!
 
Mom of 3
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dj
 
lets go back to your original post...  Your wife told you you were her bad-boy.  She chose to be with you, no accident, no illusions. Why do you not trust her and her love for you as you are?  She has her style as you do and the love and affection you share goes beyond the way you express your personalities.  (Okay there is a bit of a limit here, and you could discover what a clothes washer can do to your "dirty jeans" )
 
Part of depression is a proble with self-esteem and the images we have of ourself.  Usually all are negative and we forget all the joy we have lived. We forget the the love we shared and all the pleasant moments we created together.  Is your wife's poor health one of the stresses that pushed you towards depression?  Living with depression takes a enormous strenght and courage.  We often feel sad and miserable and still we shop and work and ... continue to breath and hope that tomorrow will be a bit better.   So you are not less of a person than your friends because you are sad and vunerable (it is scary if this is the first time you are forced to face these feelings). 
 
You know DJ, the suit type, the surfer, the jock... they would not be in a better position than you are.  You said your wife is ill.  She needs YOU ... not the would have beens,  could have beens,  should have beens.  You are the man in her life. You are her love.  I am sure she would happy with a pizza, a pop, and your arms around her for the evening.  She would be happy if you looked into her cosmentic drawer and you surprised her with a little jar of creme or perfume with a little dollar-store ribbon on the top.  
 
DJ
have you asked your wife what she wants, what she needs?  "Sweety, I know you have been having a hard time. I feel **** and I really want to help you. What do you need from me?  How can I make things better for you?"
 
The programme here is meant to help you see the way you are thinking and find positive changes.  So rather than ask: do I have to change who I am?... you should be asking:  ... How do I do my best for my family?
 
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THANKS Mom of 3 ,your a true freind,If you don't mind having a biker for a freind that is!
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DJ
 
Your wife is a lucky woman :)
 
Mom of 3
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Mom of 3,you brought tears to my eyes with your advice,I will do my best to put her first,as for dressing up I don't think I even have any dress cloths,I'll look in the closet I  think my wife has bought me some cloths that I don't enjoy wearing but I may do it for her.Its nice to get a womans veiw on things ,thanks.

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Hi DJ,
Danielle's suggestions are good ones.
 
I don't think your wife would want you to change who you are, but she would most likely be happier if she were at the top of your list instead of your motorcycles.  Women do not like competition for affection.  It does not mean you need to give up your bike, only you need to put more time into your wife than your motorcycle.  Women who feel loved are much more able to accept the other things in your life because they are non-threatening of your affections for her, so the motorcycle shouldn't be a consideration for you.
Give her the attention, not the bike. Talk to her, take her along on a ride, do something with her that she likes. Maybe you could break out of your mold every once in awhile and dress up for her.  Your biker buddies should all be "sad weak men" where their wives are concerned. Otherwise they will only have each other to complain to. 
Mom of 3
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DJ,
 
It has often been said that opposites attract. Although this can be a source of conflict at times because you are so different, it can also bring great passion to a marriage. 
 
I doubt you would have to change who you are, obviously she must love you for who you are but that doesn't mean as you mentioned in your post she may not like to be last in line. My suggestion to you would be to keep talking. Every good marriage needs both parties to work at it. Isolate where you could improve and vice versa. Spending more time together doing things that interest one of you or both could also help you reconnect and strengthen your bond.
 
Hope this helps.
 
 


Danielle, Bilingual Health Educator
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Hey , All your talk about husbands makes me relise I havent been a very good one.Im the bad ass biker type ,tattoo's, dirty jeans ,leather,most poeple get out of my way when they see me coming!Its an image a mans man!I wouldent want my biker buddys knowing im a sad an weak man,Im sure they would laugh! my wife is the total oppisit she's trendy very well kept and beutiful ! not somone you would see with me,She says i was her badboy,may be I still am I don't know.she's sick alot,and has lots of health problems,I love her but don't know how to treat her. she deserves the fancy suit an tie type of guy,but thats not me!I tend to think of myself more than her an sadisfy my own needs, we do fight alot,then make up and so on..she always thinks of the kids who are well in their teens only one at home now. and me before her self! Im such a fool,I don't know what Iv got. How do I get to know her again as if I ever realy knew her.how do I talk to my total oppisit?Do I have to change who I am? I think I need to jump on my bike an ride ,clear my head! do I give up my first love (motorcycles) for ture love? Being a good husband an father to two teen aged girls is hard!


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