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So hard to escape for good

Hi Samantha
 
There's been no terrible happening in my life to set me back again, just a slow, growing feeling of being overwhelmed by life. What has been keeping my head above the depression these last few months?  Staying busy, I suppose, but for me that can easily spill over into too much stress, too much going on in my head. And even amongst the activity, the being busy, I've had moments that I call my 'drop-away' moments.  That's when whatever I'm doing reveals itself as pointless surface activity, chattering trivia, and drops away to show the realities of life. When this happens, it is a physical as well as mental sensation, it's like vertigo.  I'm poised, stopped dead, on the edge of a great fall, everything is black and windswept and without reason.  I can drop away at any time, in the midst of any activity.  This has been happening more frequently again, and when I am in that state more often than not, that's when I know the old 'black dog' is back and hungry.
 
So....ahh, I've come through this before, so I figure I can come through it again.  But I frighten myself, as I can be so destructive and bitter when I'm in the throes of depression.  Reckless, lashing out at myself.  And I did it again yesterday.  I love to write, and I've been taking a creative writing class the last few months. I've written a few stories and the class tutor has told me (sorry to be big headed here) that he reckons I have a genuine gift for story writing, and that some of my work is of a high enough standard for publication.  Hey, great!  Hmmmm......I wished he hadn't said that, because it's more pressure, now every new thing I write has a standard to live up to.  My confidence has not been increased by this, but decreased. How screwed is that? So, anyways, yesterday.  I took all my writing, slowly and deliberately shredded every paper copy, then methodically permanently deleted all the digital copies, even going to the 'sent' folder of my email account where I had sent them to my tutor for feedback. So now it's all gone.  Writing, that was to be my salvation, destroyed. It had become too important to me, and had to go.
 
Why?  I don't know, but I had the irresistible urge to do it.  How do I feel about it as I type now?  Empty. Why am I telling all this? I had to tell somebody.
 
How does this experience really feel?  I just wish I was a good enough writer to get that across.....
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So hard to escape for good

I think I'm rather pretentious, so please forgive me that, but writing is very important to me.  So important that I destroyed it all!
I just do not understand why I behave the way I do sometimes.  Why being praised by a professional writer should freak me out the way it did is beyond me. Wasn't that what I wanted? To be told I had some talent?
 
I'm off the point, sorry.  How to get through this episode? That's the question.  I have to aim to stay in some control, not to give in to these petty, destructive impulses that attempt to own me.  I'm too much of a coward to harm myself physically, but I do lacerate myself mentally, over and over again.  Sometimes, in contradiction to my depressed, flat state, I feel full of energy.  But it is energy borne of bitterness and hatred.  It is an energy that wants to tear down.  I listen to my internal dialogue and I cannot believe how nasty and hateful I am about fellow human beings, how bitter and intolerant.  I feel so ashamed of myself at these times. If only my children and my wife could hear my thoughts they would be so disgusted with me.   I'm somehow dirty, furtive and just plain wrong......
 
I know, these are 'negative self-beliefs' as my psychologist put it.  But try as I might, and I've tried plenty of CBT in the last couple of years, I cannot have any conviction that these things are not true.  I'm the one inside my head, I know what goes on and the person I really am.
 
Apologies.  I wasn't going to rant this time, but it came anyway.  If this is just a temporary relapse and will help me heal in the long run, then okay, I can tough it out. I just fear that this will be a pattern for all the rest of my life (I'm 50). I find that prospect hard to face.
 
That was a bit incoherent, sorry.

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New Guy

Hi Don and welcome
 
You'll find a lot of support and friendship on these forums - the good people here have helped me time and time again. Reading your post, I find your positive and active attitude and your determination quite inspiring.
 
Hope to bump into you around the forums
 
all the best
 
Pete

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If you couldn´t fail? - Getting to know Members

I'll kick this off.  If I knew I couldn't fail, I'd either write a novel (hell, why think small, a series of novels...) or join/form a band again (I'm 50, and the last time I played guitar in a band I was 21, best fun I ever had...).
 
Terribly indulgent wishes, I know.

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So hard to escape for good

Hi Ashley,
 
You're a comforting and calming influence, for sure. Thank you for that.
 
You ask me a big question - who am I, and what do I value? Wow......
 
To start off prosaic, I'm 50 years old, live in a city in England in a small, run-down house with my long-term (female) partner and two of my three sons (the eldest is away at University). My sons are 14,17 and 20.  I work as a librarian, but my work to me is purely and only how I make a living. As a result of that, I've not had a glittering career.  That's only important to me insomuch as it means I don't earn very much (hence the small run-down house). 
 
My family is very important to me.  I do not have friends (that's not a self-pitying exaggeration, I really do not have friends) and have a social phobia, so my family are the only warm human contact I have.  I'm very proud of my sons, though I feel they've grown up so well despite me, rather than because of me.  It's their mother who has done the great job there. I have let my partner down on occasion, have 'strayed' whilst in the grip of this reckless abandon when nothing seems to matter, have sought comfort, anonymity and a kind of oblivion in the arms of strangers. So I'm no angel, and feel neither proud nor ashamed of that.
 
Aside from my family, what else is important to me?  As you'll have gathered from my previous post, I value creativity greatly. I'd love to be a musician above all, and I do play the guitar, but I have no illusions about that - I do it just for my own entertainment, but have no real talent in that direction.  And I write (well, I did up until a day or two ago).  Now that's all gone. Will I resume? Maybe, when I'm back on an upswing, but not now. Apparently I'm quite good at that, but I can't keep it in proportion and I'm too much of a perfectionist.
 
What do I value in other people?  Consideration, generosity, honesty, humour. I have pretty high standards and feel hostile towards people, including myself, when they fall short. Also, I am terrible at bearing grudges. I don't forgive easily.
 
I don't have any religious faith. I was brought up Christian, and was for a few years a Buddhist, but I lapsed, though parts of Buddhist thought and philosophy have stayed with me and shape my worldview even now.
 
Maybe, as you say, the depression is talking and thinking for me now. If it is, it has a strong, seductive and convincing voice. There is a kind of perverse comfort in giving in to it. It's familiar, predictable....and doesn't it make me narcissistic too?
 
Thanks for listening, if you are still awake. You see, I have no great dramas in my life, and much to be thankful for, which adds a layer of guilt to the way I am feeling at the moment.

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So hard to escape for good

Hi Rowsie
 
Thanks for the support.
 
Yes, it is weird, the way that 'good' things can set off an episode of depression. Maybe - and I'm guessing here because I'm ignorant - the chemicals released or the neural processes that happen when an opportunity opens up or something important is happening are similar or the same as what goes on when there is stress or something goes wrong. So, perhaps those of us who are depressive and/or prone to stress feel it in that way. Just conjecture. I know that, with my writing, I felt a momentary elation when my tutor first praised my work so fulsomely, but then I felt fear.  It was like 'How can I write now, knowing that what I write is expected to be of a high standard'. Which led to the conviction that I don't know what I'm doing when I write - that when I write well I do so by accident.
 
Every opportunity, every opening-up, however longed-for and outwardly positive, carries with it a risk of failure and a raising of the stakes. So my reaction tends to be to back out, to escape. Then I carry the regrets of lost potential. I have lost count of the number of times I have had an interview for a new job and chosen not to attend at the last moment.  Part of this is my social anxiety, but it is mostly fear of putting myself out there and taking opportunities.  In my darker moments, I berate myself as a coward and a fool for this kind of behaviour. To be more rational, I suppose it is just a manifestation of my depression and lack of confidence.
 
Anyway, I must go now. I'm at work and should do some of what I'm paid for, I suppose.
 
Take care of yourself
 
Pete
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Stress Relievers

Hi Vincenza
 
I'm not a wholesome chap, so my favourite stress reliever is smoking. Sorry about that
Aside from that - listening to music, playing video games, sex, sleeping.
 
 
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Your Top 3- Favourite Song Lyrics

Hi Samantha
 
Depending on my mood, I listen to a variety of music. 
 
Sometimes I want to cheer myself up or maintain a good mood, so something like 'Float On' by Modest Mouse -
 
I backed my car into a cop car the other day
Well, he just drove off, sometimes life's okay
I ran my mouth off a bit too much, oh, what did I say?
Well, you just laughed it off, it was all okay .......
.....Alright, already and we'll all float on
Alright, already we'll all float on
Alright, don't worry even if things end up a bit too heavy
We'll all float on, alright

Sometimes I feel sad or wistful, and something like Rickie Lee Jones' 'Living It Up' does the trick -
 
Zero quit school
         and she lost her job again
         and then her boyfriend beat her up
         and now he won't let her in
         so she's walking by his joint
         in a black and blue dress
         she looks at Louie who elbows Eddie who says
         "don't tell me, lemme guess."
         It's more trouble than it's worth
         he's more trouble than he's worth....
.......  Louie and Eddie found a reason then and there
         carried her over the bridges like fluttering pages they didn't care
         in the terminal where dreams
         let so many tickets through
         when strangers look in faces
         and see somebody there they knew
         you might meet me tomorrow
         as all the lights are blooming green
         and you're feeling a little lonely,
         a little sad, a little mean
         remember a place
         inside of that hotel
         where you could do anything you want to do
         you couldn't tell
         If it's more trouble than it's worth
         ah, this is more trouble than it's worth

But many is the time I rage inside, and I want my music to reflect that and express it violently, cathartically. So I listen to something like 'Raining Blood' by the mighty Slayer-
 
Trapped in purgatory
A lifeless subject, alive
Awaiting reprisal
Death will be their acquittance

The sky is turning red
Return to power draws near
Fall into me,the sky's crimson tears
Abolish the rules made of stone
Piered from below, souls of my treacherous past
Betrayed by many, now ornaments dripping above

Awaiting the hour of reprisal
Your time slips away

Raining blood
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So hard to escape for good

Hi Vincenza
 
We are talking of fear. My old and loyal companion.
 
Fear.
 
Fear of?
 
Everything can be a source of fear, no matter how we may characterise it.
 
It's just there, I can name it, but divining its source is beyond me.
 
Words stretch and creak and die attempting to capture it.
 
*
 
Success. Failure.
 
This man does not expect to succeed. He hates to fail, even as failure is familiar and comfortable. He fears success, it is alien, it brings attention and expectation, he has tasted it so rarely that he has little idea of how it feels.
 
This man possesses an unfortunate combination of qualities.  He is a perfectionist, so his family and therapists have told him, yet he is lazy and incompetent.  He believes in honesty and integrity, yet he thinks nothing of lying, he hides and shirks.  He is afraid of pain, yet hurts himself.
 
Pull this way, pull that way, shatter into shards that become as knives and turn back inwards.
 
*
 
This man is angry with himself because he cannot abandon these notions.
 
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What are negative core beliefs?

Hi Vincenza
 
I've been CBT'd into near-submission these last few years, and I've done a lot of work on core beliefs. It appears that I am brimming over with examples of the negative variety.  I shan't bore you by listing them, because it's a very unoriginal and generic set of beliefs for a depressed person.
 
My sticking point has always been the principle that I must challenge these beliefs, and that when I investigate them they will turn out to be inaccurate.  Trouble is, when I examine them they look pretty well true to me, borne out by my experiences, life situation and behaviour.
 
So, what does this mean? Either I'm correct and I am the person I think I am, full of faults and morally bankrupt etc. etc., or the beliefs are so deeply embedded that they don't want to shift.  Or the whole paradigm of CBT is not helpful to me personally, and seeing things in these terms just doesn't work constructively for me. I'm not sure, and I am not being deliberately negative or obstructive here, but I do think that our beliefs regarding ourselves and the world are formed from our own experience, and so are more likely to be based on truth than otherwise.  And just because a belief is negative or unhelpful (a term my therapist prefers) I do not see that it is necessarily incorrect or mistaken.  A 'positive' belief is just as likely to be untrue, surely.
 
Maybe I'm just a hard nut to crack

All this begs the question of why I stick with beliefs that are contributing to making me unhappy, and why I am reluctant to challenge and/or change them.  Well, as I see it, unless I undergo some sort of miraculous personality change, the things I believe will continue to be based in fact, so I can't choose to stop believing them.
 
I do feel strongly that I am depressed, not because of what I believe, but because of  who and what I am, and the state of my life at present which has resulted from many years of weakness, cowardice, dishonesty........etc. I can't undo the past which has led me here. I just feel stuck and, in all honesty, find it very hard to see a way out of this.




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